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Note: As I type this, in efforts to make my argument seem more "legitamite" I'll try to cut back on my usually-copious amounts of cursing. Enjoy. (Shit, I cursed in the title. And just now. Shit.)

When the hell did this happen? When did teenagers stop hanging out at the mall and instead start slicing their wrists and whining in online journals? I mean, Christ, you people realize that our generation (as many people on this board are around the age that falls into "this generation") will forever be associated with these depression-addled headcases? Your grandkids will watch some movie and ask if you wore a trenchoat and eyeshadow when you were a kid. You do realize that, right???
When did this shit happen? Culture has seen its share of counter culture, but not counter culture that entails people writing sappy poems and then cutting themselves because they feel bad about themselves. Pop Culture is trying to catch up with them, too. Rock music has almsot completely deteriorated to people whining about being alone or hating their parents or shit like that. Do you not realize the concept of -music-? If I wanted to hear some baseless whining, I'd go through the LiveJournal archives and read the shitty poetry there.
And really, these emo kids have very little to complain about. Teens back in the day complained about stuff. But they wouldn't take it to the point that they wallow in depression. There are countless people on earth who would do anything to be in their positions. These kids are typing up in their online journals through their DSL connections on their personal connections as they sit in their air conditioned house after eating dinner prepared from food in their fridge. And what are they sad about? They're boy/girlfriend dumped them, or worse, they're too much of social slime that they can't get the opposite sex to look at them. And oh God, do the "lonely" emo kids whine. A LOT.
Now, these privileged kids-and yes, most of the time they ARE privileged-always inevitably contemplate suicide. What the fuck? Think about this one for a sec. They want to KILL THEMSELVES. End their LIVES. Let that sink in for a bit and you can realize how fucking moronic this notion really is. Do you have a grasp what your life is? I'm not getting into any theological discussion here because organized religion is bull (another debate for another day) but your life is the ultimate expression of what you can do. You, out of a possible billions of people were born. You get to experience life, as opposed to nothingness. There are very few excuses to justify suicide, and being depressed about that jock who said your eyeshadow made you look like a drag queen is NOT ONE OF THEM. Most of these fucks kill themselves at relatively young ages, too. SHowing that they have no scope of the world WHATSOEVER. 16+ years of your life is not an adequate rubric to measure the rest of the world. You just wasted a possible 60-80 years of life you could have had. 60-80! Jesus!

Anyhow, I'm too tired to think of ways to eloquently express the rest of my argument, so just enjoy it as it is. That was especially long, so here's the annotated version:
Emo Kids are fucking morons.

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My hot friend gave me a link to this message board called "Madradhair" and it's basically all emo kids. They're always talking about how horrible twinky kids are and are always ranting about how everyone is a conformist. They said *I* was a conformist (good job overused word) because I don't dye my hair black, have an emo haircut, dress like they do, or listen to the same music they do...

I just thought that was ironic.

I have nothing else to say (...).


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There is no such thing as emo.


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Sorry, don't get many of them over here. We do get metalheads that beleive showing emotion isn't "metal" enough and therefore walk around showing no emotion. Tis a sad thing, but I pity anyone who actually IS depressed. I've been there before.

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I wear eyeliner and a trenchcoat. Am I emo?

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Don't get metalheads mixed up with goths and emos. Metalheads generally hate both groups, and rightly so. As you say, most of them are pretty well off, and inflict most of their depression upon themselves.

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They said *I* was a conformist (good job overused word) because I don't dye my hair black, have an emo haircut, dress like they do, or listen to the same music they do...

I just thought that was ironic.

So very true.

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It's extremely hard for most people under 15 to non-conform, as at these ages they depends on the others around them. By 15 people become more adaptable to non-conformism.

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Yes, I theorized that before one's mental state matures, a pre-teen pigeon-holes his or herself into a particular faction (emo kids, jocks etc.) so they have a place to belong to. They need this feeling of belonging since they haven't really "found themselves" enough to be secure with who they are.

Some people don't grow out of that though. o.O;;


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EMO KIDS ARE FUCKING SHITHEADS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I FUCKING HATE THEM!!! I HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL FILLED WITH THESE WHINEY LITTLE SEXUALLY AMBIGUOUS TRENDY RETARDS WHO CRY ABOUT DADDY GETTING MAD WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE "BEST OF THE SMITHS" ALBUM AT HOT TOPIC WITH HIS CREDIT CARD. THEY TREAT LIFE SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY, THEY ACT LIKE EVERYTHING IS A MAJOR REVELATION AND ACT ARROGANT ALL THE FUCKING TIME, ONLY SOCIALIZING WITH PEOPLE WHO THEY CONSIDER TO BE SMART AKA ALSO FUCKIN EMO RETARDS WELL HERE IS NEWS BEING SAD ALL THE TIME DOESNT MAKE YOU DEEP IT MAKES YOU AN ANNOYANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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My argument was well structured just typed in all-caps. IT IS LIKE SCREAMING ON THE INTERNET!!!


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Originally posted by theblakeman@Mar 4 2005, 04:44 PM
EMO KIDS ARE FUCKING SHITHEADS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I FUCKING HATE THEM!!! I HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL FILLED WITH THESE WHINEY LITTLE SEXUALLY AMBIGUOUS TRENDY RETARDS WHO CRY ABOUT DADDY GETTING MAD WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE "BEST OF THE SMITHS" ALBUM AT HOT TOPIC WITH HIS CREDIT CARD. THEY TREAT LIFE SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY, THEY ACT LIKE EVERYTHING IS A MAJOR REVELATION AND ACT ARROGANT ALL THE FUCKING TIME, ONLY SOCIALIZING WITH PEOPLE WHO THEY CONSIDER TO BE SMART AKA ALSO FUCKIN EMO RETARDS WELL HERE IS NEWS BEING SAD ALL THE TIME DOESNT MAKE YOU DEEP IT MAKES YOU AN ANNOYANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This coming from someone who's AIM profile, to the best of my recollection, says something along the lines of "I AM SO FUCKING EMO"

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what you described was basically neo-pseudo-goth-ism.. its ok to feel and its ok to bitch but not all the time.. Y'know not real "goth" or whatever person of any age would be like "oh my life sucks and I hate myself".. Teens have being saying all that bullshit been going on since the 50's. probably before hand. but yeah.. I wear make up.. and sexy clothes and sit in the dark drinking juice, my hair is dyed black and I'm listening.. to well nothing at the moment.. but yeah! usually some band with sappy "sad" lyrics but oh well.. its the attitude not the mask, y'know...

(I hope that made some sense)

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Originally posted by Blue Barry Jam@Mar 5 2005, 12:14 AM
This coming from someone who's AIM profile, to the best of my recollection, says something along the lines of "I AM SO FUCKING EMO"

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IF YOU WERE SMART ENOUGH YOU'D KNOW IT WAS A JOKE....jesus I mean if i was really emo wouldnt i put some poem in there or something that describes the deepest amount of my suffering?


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Well, emo people really aren't necessary in the world.You could say that they go on complaining about their life and blah blah blah. A lot of people at my school are kind of like that. and It pisses me off as well as self delusional people, hipocrites, people who act retarded, etc etc etc.

I also hate the people who go on about how nothing in life matters. If you really do thihk that, kill yourself because we don't need scum like you.

???????????

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Emo kids nowadays are usually too scared to hurt themselves or commit suicide (at least from what I've seen). And as for the dyed black hair, ear plugs, girl pants, and small band shirts, that's all the emo music scenester bull, and it's not really emo at all. People who talk about being non-/anti-conformist are just morons, and they're most likely not emo kids (they like to stay to themselves). Also, most "emo" kids (as you would put it) aren't really emo. They're just following the music scene, which a lot of the time isn't even emo music (it's usually hardcore). They are not emo. They're all scenesters who just follow crappy bands like Norma Jean (if you don't know who they are, don't bother looking them up, because they're terrible).

All in all, the kids you're seeing are NOT emo. They're just scenester bastards who honestly have no idea what they're talking about. Emo people are seriously misconceived and stereotyped as people who just cry in the corner and slit their wrists and complain about how life is pointless. BULL. SHIT. If you actually believe such trash, you need to actually do research on the background of it all before you go off complaining. Yes, you are the one who is complaining. Stop being so hypocritical.

(If you wish to know what a true emo person is, read up on Elliot Smith.)

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I'm angry that the word "emotional" has been corrupted like this.

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Ever considored that some of them might truley be upset?

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Originally posted by Ricky-K@Mar 5 2005, 06:21 PM
Ever considored that some of them might truley be upset?

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thats what it is to be a teen though.. upset and confused.. no need to whine about it

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Zheil you are such emo crap Laugh


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This entire debate is structured off a stereotype. It's completely subjective.

Not all depressed, whiny bastards call themselves emo.

Not everyone who calls themselves emo is a whiny bastard.

Not everyone has the same definition of emo.

The emo stereotype is as stupid as every other stereotype. I dislike it when anybody tries to conform to a specific stereotype, whether it's emo or prep or goth or whatever the hell others there are.

Emo stems from the undeground, though it's getting popularized and bastardized. As someone involved in the underground and local music scene, you could consider me one of the 'scenester fucks'. I'm friends with a lot of them. There are just as many cool people that at first glance would be associated with the stereotype as there are ridiculous brats. It's on a person to person basis.

No, I am not and my friends are not Hot Topic lemmings, either. We are part of what some people call 'the scene', by what we do, what we listen to, and even how we dress. And I accept that and I don't particularly care, and I'm drawn to other people like that. So?

I'd be more inclined to say that whiny, pretentious teenagers are annoying than "emo kids" are annoying. It's way too broad and shifting to stick on a name on it, because people like that fall under any number of group names.

Yes, the mass-produced stereotype is annoying as hell. But what it's derived from isn't so bad.

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Originally posted by Kofox@Mar 5 2005, 09:04 PM
This entire debate is structured off a stereotype. It's completely subjective.

Not all depressed, whiny bastards call themselves emo.

Not everyone who calls themselves emo is a whiny bastard.

Not everyone has the same definition of emo.

The emo stereotype is as stupid as every other stereotype. I dislike it when anybody tries to conform to a specific stereotype, whether it's emo or prep or goth or whatever the hell others there are.

Emo stems from the undeground, though it's getting popularized and bastardized. As someone involved in the underground and local music scene, you could consider me one of the 'scenester fucks'. I'm friends with a lot of them. There are just as many cool people that at first glance would be associated with the stereotype as there are ridiculous brats. It's on a person to person basis.

No, I am not and my friends are not Hot Topic lemmings, either. We are part of what some people call 'the scene', by what we do, what we listen to, and even how we dress. And I accept that and I don't particularly care, and I'm drawn to other people like that. So?

I'd be more inclined to say that whiny, pretentious teenagers are annoying than "emo kids" are annoying. It's way too broad and shifting to stick on a name on it, because people like that fall under any number of group names.

Yes, the mass-produced stereotype is annoying as hell. But what it's derived from isn't so bad.

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We don't get many emo kids over here, but we get a lot of the music. Stereotyping is commonplace, and it might be that fear of bullying and such that's the cause of a lack of emo kids, goths, and other 'social outcasts'.

Or maybe it just hasn't caught on over here yet. Besides, anyone who wears a hoodie and jeans is called a mosher anyway.

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I wear hoodies and jeans and get called a hippy, not a mosher. But I don't see myself as... any of the steriotypes around. I listen to all kinds of music and have a love for music, extreme sports are the only sports that I am interest in bar basketball and I would wear "hippy" clothes but... gah, it's hard to explain. I am me, if you're fine with that then great, if not, then clear off I don't want to listen to you bitch about how I should be like you.

Yes, I get sad and upset some times, but no, I'm not going to go around complaining about it I would, however, talk to a close friend about if it really bothered me.

I occassionally look sad because I walk with a slouch and I always look at the ground (gotta make sure I don't step on dog crap or other nasties)

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There is no such thing as a non-conformist. And if there is, it's an old man, living in the mountains by himself, with a purple beard, no electricity, no running water, and only worms to eat.

Zheil, what you've got to take into consideration, is that even if these "emo" kids are perverting the "emo" name, that's simply what they're classified as these days, and we all have to deal with it. You're right though, it is all about "the scene." 40% of my school is now infact, "emo," and they couldn't agree more. What I see, is a large group of people, ranging in all sizes, sexes, and sexual orientation, wearing the same tight clothes, similar hairstyles, listening to the same music, and huddling together in their own social orgy. I have no problem with that. What I see it as, is on the virge of metro-sexualism. I believe alot of people become "emo" so they can fit in with a group that is ever-growing, (because of them joining, you see. An expanding circle) and trendy... especially in the music category. Emo rivals Pop music these days... atleast, the more commercial bands. These bands being too soft to be classified as punk. And that's how I remember it starting. Bands like "New Found Glory" coming out, and being too soft to fit our "punk" standards, and being classified as "emotional." I'm not singling it out to Pseudo punk though, don't get me wrong, there are many branches of music that Emo played into.

There are some truly depressed people, and they do cut themselves, but most are doing it from example.

Overall, the emo you are trying to repress is a Social movement, there's really no mindset to it... anyone can do it, you just have to be a good actor. It's rather easy to be sad.

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blah blah blah all the arguments i wont even bother reading ill dismiss them as emo crap AHAHAHAHAHAA


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Originally posted by theblakeman@Mar 6 2005, 09:45 AM
blah blah blah all the arguments i wont even bother reading ill dismiss them as emo crap AHAHAHAHAHAA

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But Blakeman, you ARE emo.

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Originally posted by Magi@Mar 6 2005, 10:36 AM
But Blakeman, you ARE emo.

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WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON


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I know it's like it's almost photoshopped, only it isn't and its for real

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Originally posted by Magi@Mar 6 2005, 10:42 AM
I know it's like it's almost photoshopped, only it isn't and its for real

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LIES


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BUSTED.

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Originally posted by Magi@Mar 6 2005, 11:36 AM
But Blakeman, you ARE emo.

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Emowned.

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Holy crap, I just laughed for five minutes... alone... that's akward.

Ok guys, I think I've put on this act long enough. I, Mufasa, is an Emo kid. The picture explains everything.

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Let me orororo at the following things:

a) Emowned

b) EM ending his/our suffering


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Swap 'emo kids' for 'whiny clinging bastiges in general' and you're dead-on.

Unless we're talking about people whose anal cavities are getting harassed on a regular basis by older relatives and have been intimidated into silence and permanent PMS, that is.

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This thread has seemingly died.

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So many of them here, girls who slit their wrists and write depressing poems. I'm so tired of that. What's the point?

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We don't have a group called emo kids in Finland. Those who have dyed their hair black are usually metalheads or goths. The people who do suicides here are usually some girls who are pretty normal, though they get easily depressed if for example, their boyfriend leaves them. But the reason why people may get depressed so easily here is because of the darkness in the winter. You know, couple of hours of daylight isn't much. It's a biological thing. But those emo kids you're referring, they sound stupid because they have to follow a trend and that's why they're over-reacting. I don't understand why people do suicides, because even if I'm really depressed I know I have many years to live. And it would be impossible if something good wouldn't happen.

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It probably isn't healthy to associate teen suicides too much with the whole "emo" culture. A large percentage of teens committing suicide worldwide are actually Japanese. But the thought of even having the word "Japanese" and "emo" in the same sentence makes me want to jump off a bridge myself. It's something I would like to continue to think is impossible :lol:


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RUDE BOYS VS EMO WANKERS

RUDE BOYS 1
EMO WANKERS NIL

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Every sub-culture (stereotype) starts off honest and pure. Then there will always- always- be people to come in and corrupt its name. Jocks, nerds, preps, goths, emo, skaters, and any other sub-culture (trying to avoid using "stereotype") began as just an honest common thing between people. People who all like sports, people who all live somewhat antisocially, people who favor darker "gothic" ideals and customs. Then idiots corrupted them.

I am what one may call an "anti-conformist." Usually when a majority of people like something- I find myself jumping to negative conclusions. Though generally I just find it crap be it music, tv shows, or whatever the majority enjoys. So in short I like what most people I know, don't.

And as for people taking their own lives: I think it is a terrible thing. But it is just one of the many ways Earth is trying to protect herself. This is my strange almost Paganistic belief. But I stick to it.

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*revives an old topic, just because of the fact that it deserves reviving*

I find it incredibly stupid when people categorize themselves. In their attempt to be "more original" or whatever, they become the monstrosity they were striving to avoid. I mean, I don't exactly fit in with any group at all, simply because of the fact that I do not wish to. Why stick to one when you can be your own group?

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[]Here at the town we aren't fans of reviving old topics even if oyu have something to say.. Its dead because no one is interensted in it anymore.

Anyway, while I'm posting.. Everyone pretty much says "I'D BE THE LONER BECAUSE I'M ORIGIONAL AND LIKE, I DON'T CATEGORIZE MYSELF ".. so hypocritical..

please don't revive old topics

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Originally posted by Kafen@Apr 23 2005, 05:34 PM
Anyway, while I'm posting.. Everyone pretty much says "I'D BE THE LONER BECAUSE I'M ORIGIONAL AND LIKE, I DON'T CATEGORIZE MYSELF ".. so hypocritical..

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You saying that is hypocritial is actually hypocritical in itself, since you call emo "gay" and emo kids are "faggots." You especially call me "feg" and "gay" a LOT, because I happen to be catagorized as "emo."

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I don't usually revive old topics, but this just seemed like it should still be "in interest". Meh, whatever.

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personally, this thread is completely out of wack, and completely idiotic, you guys are all "whining and complaining" about people "whining and complaining"
what kind of crap is that?
what is wrong with emotion, we all have it... it's not a bad thing... orginality does exist, EVERYBODY is individual, they all are themselves, we are all different in our own ways... shit, I lost my train of thought... if it comes back... I'll post another...

...

...yeah

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LMAO Gremio has a point. This thread is extremely hypocritical in itself. Haha..thanks for helping me notice that Grem Grin

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Emotion is perfectly alright, but the "Emo trend" is what we are ridiculing (which makes me wonder why it's in "debates" in the first place).

the Emo trend usually involves depression for the worst reasons. If they had a reasonable source of depression (parents breaking up, friend suicide, etc.) then it's not really 'emo.' But getting upset and dark about every little thing is a little too far in my opinion.

Make sense?

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well... depression is a disese, you know... it does happen genetically... and some people cant help it...
ugh... ya'll should just quit bitching and live your life... you know... when people have a little patience, and a little acceptance... it makes the whole world a bit easier to live in... whether it be one stereotype talking about another stereotype... who cares? honestly, who cares? obviously the "emo kids" don't care what you have to say about them... otherwise they wouldn't still be emo... why don't we all just accept each other for who we are, have a little patience... then all this bullshit wouldn't happen, right? ugh... I hate stupid arguments over this kinda stuff... this really is the worse debate I've ever seen... it's a debate where the arguments are "they were tight shirts and are sad, wtf, they suck"... *sigh*

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I know what "emo" is. Emo is being depressed for no real reason.

People that are "emo" because of a medical depression or something bad in their life isn't the type of "emo" that this thread is about".

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I know... the whole reason I'm posting in this is to defend the word emotion, because that's what emo is, but "emo" I suppose is different... fine, if ya'll want, call me emo, cuz I am a pretty emotional person... but geez, don't destroy a perfectly good, perfectly beautiful word...

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